Attitudes to 250s

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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby XRayHound » Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:16 am

YoshiHNS wrote:Cheaper than the Ninja 300? Sounds too good to be true.


I was quite excited to hear the price of the RC390 would be under 5000. Until I realized I was reading from a British motorcycle news site, and under 5K meant 4999 Limey Pounds. Not even wanting to kill my high for the bike by typing that into a currency converter, though bike prices are generally lower here in the States... there's a slim possibility it will be 6K or less. But I wouldn't bet on it.

But... it's tiny, it has modern performance oriented suspension, and a high revving, 45 horsepower engine. Sounds a lot like that NSR250 I always wanted...

I intend to have one, somehow, but it'll take a miracle. I'd sell that lot of bikes Yoshi alluded to, except I don't have a lot.
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby John Hilmer » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:39 am

X-Ray,

Just to ruin your day the conversion comes out to $6,350.00 today.

I expect it will be closer to $6,500.00 here.

I think that is getting close to what a KLR 650 brings.

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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby XRayHound » Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:44 pm

$6500 isn't terrible, if I had the ability to finance it I'd go to the KTM dealer in Raleigh and pre-order one.
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby YoshiHNS » Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:06 pm

I don't think I saw anything as far as suspension adjustments go, but $6500 for a track ready bike that won't leave much on the table for upgrade (aside from exhaust and engine tuning EPA stuff), it would be a good price. The CBR500R is $6k I think, and reviews have said how it's not very good as an R bike.
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby XRayHound » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:58 am

I sat on the CBR500R at the Progressive Show this past February. For comfort and ergonomics, I'm all for it. It's got this great seating position with nice high bars, but the tank is made really tall so you can still lock in your arm on the tank when you hang off. Good human engineering, there. But everything I've read is the engine and underpinnings are rubbish. Hell, the motorcycle press was comparing it to the Ninja 300 and the 300 was WINNING in pretty much all aspects, which speaks loads for how weak the motor is. I don't care for it or the CBR250-single-R.

I can't get over the KTM, though. WP suspension, 320 pounds, 43 HP, Moto3-ish dimensions, and a strong, high revving, 43 HP ish motor? YES PLZ. I'm not keen on it being a thumper, but I can live with it for two very good reasons: one, KTM has a not just strong but MIGHTY background as motoX and enduro makers, so they know their singles. Secondly, the single cylinder will offset its displacement and class it with smaller displacements in racing circles. I will absolutely PWN any stretch of crooked asphalt I can gain access to once I get my hands on one of these little dolls. I AM going to make it happen even if I have to do something drastic.
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby Bronco638 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:45 am

XRayHound wrote:I'm not keen on it being a thumper, but I can live with it for two very good reasons: one, KTM has a not just strong but MIGHTY background as motoX and enduro makers, so they know their singles. Secondly, the single cylinder will offset its displacement and class it with smaller displacements in racing circles. I will absolutely PWN any stretch of crooked asphalt I can gain access to once I get my hands on one of these little dolls. I AM going to make it happen even if I have to do something drastic.

Before you deem KTM the "all conquering Gods of the Thumper", I would suggest you chat with an owner of a 640 Adventure dual sport bike. They're referred to as "paint shakers" for a reason. They're also susceptible to blowing up. Additionally, like early Porsche models, they're street legal competition machines. They require LOTS of maintenance (based on KTM owner's posts on various forum sites I frequent). Are they good bikes? I would say they are, yes. Does that come with a price? I would say it does, yes, with respect to maintenance intervals and parts availability and pricing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that it sounds like you're being swayed by some of the hype (some of which is deserved, some of which is not). YMMV.
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby XRayHound » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:35 am

I do all my own maintenance so that's not a concern. Being a "paint shaker" is a NHV issue and NHV issues don't bother me in cars, much less sports motorcycles. I will concede the parts availability issue, Aprilia and KTM are both really bad about it, as their dealer networks are sparse at best, especially here on the right coast. There does seem to be a lot of hits on google if one types in "KTM engine failure" but it seems limited to the off road machines, I don't seem much about Dukes or RC8s failing. And the naked Duke version of the RC390 has already been on the market a year or two, so the running gear's "beta test" is out of the way.

I'll keep my ears open, but I've seen a guy put a KTM into a mudhole up to the handlebars and ride away after draining the water out of the crankcase, refilling, and doing literally nothing else. Rather convincing testament.
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby UK Keith » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:18 am

Anyone seen these two yet?
Honda CBR300
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Yamaha R25
Yamaha-R25-India-launch-2.jpg

I've not seen any performance figures for the Yamaha yet and the Honda is apparantly 287cc not the full 300 but it's good to see more choice in the lightweight market. Maybe the CBR300 wil be nearly as quick as a VTR or VTZ?
There's also rumours of Triumph entering this sector of the market with a 250 single.
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby spotthedogg » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:45 am

Anything that I have read called the Yamaha a R4, not sure why
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Re: Attitudes to 250s

Postby YoshiHNS » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:04 am

So now we're having a displacement war. Wake me up when we get to 400cc.
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